April 24, 2008
Dream Team: Is Hillary John McCain's Vice President? (Brent Budowsky)
There are several conceptions of the role of a vice presidential nominee, one of which is the attack dog to slime the opposition.
While the laughingstock idea of the century is the notion that Obama might run with Clinton, the real dream team is John McCain running with Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential nominee, a role she has been playing for some time.
Truth is, if Obama is nominated, both Hillary and McCain want Obama to lose — her conduct has no other explanation. Her campaign is actively colluding with Republicans and Swift Boat types in simultaneous slimes that are coordinated de facto or de jure.
Even the editorial board of The New York Times, which has endorsed Clinton, is deeply offended and disgusted by the sliming campaign she is running. The Times editorial on Wednesday came very close to de-endorsing her in a total condemnation of Clinton campaign tactics.
Her campaign helps McCain; her campaign promotes McCain; she has even called McCain more qualified than Obama in one of her more slimy attacks; her low-road campaign makes McCain's election more likely.
If the role of vice presidential candidate is to slime the opposition, Bill Clinton is now Hillary's vice presidential nominee, while Hillary is now McCain's vice presidential nominee.
No wonder almost two-thirds of the country believes Hillary is untrustworthy.
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ABSOLUTELY…she is scorched earth and to hell with the party. But it is amusing to see the clinton slide when they spent 16 years setting this up- with McAuliffe running and padding the DNC, bill appointing the right places[Rendell's wife] paying off campaign debt[Vilsack and Byah] bribing and blackmailing big oil, pharma, munitions dealers and she still can not close the deal!!!
Comment by Docb — April 24, 2008 @ 9:54 am
while Hillary is now McCain’s vice presidential nominee.
Hillary one death away from the presidency? And you believe Macbeth murdered sleep?
Comment by james d granata — April 24, 2008 @ 10:16 am
Exactly Brent!
The GOP has turned in to a full blown fascist party of corporatistas. Additionally, Hillary has proven her corporatista stripes.
I certainly think it would be fitting if Hillary, Lanny, and the rest of the DLC would go ahead and saddle up with the GOP fascists. Hillary represents the working calss about like Queen Elizabeth represents the working calss.
A McBushCain-Hillary ticket would be appropriate. Great post Brent.
Comment by Lester — April 24, 2008 @ 10:40 am
She's a new breed of politician. A super-species in which all the worst traits of politicians have been amplified to maximum and cobbled together into one shameless, heartless beast that kills anything in its path to power.
To quote a forced-out Obama adviser, "She's a monster."
Comment by Jetpacks — April 24, 2008 @ 10:52 am
Brent;
Well said and true. Remember Bill's recent comment that if this was a GOP primary, Hillary would have won by now. Disgusting!
Comment by Mike Coleman — April 24, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
Peggy Noonan, in a recent editorial/commentary, said the pant-suited Hillary Clinton resembled a short, blond man with breasts. Of course this is an insult to short, blond men; but it did remind me that when the Clinton-Gore people were about to move into the White House, HRC fought Gore, tooth and nail, for what was rightfully his designated office space.
Granted, HRC has lots of balls; she keeps showing us how many - she is now threatening to "obliterate" a whole nation: Iran.
How is this any different than the warmongering of McCain or either Bush, the papa or the fool? It is the same warmongering that has led to the unnecessary deaths of young men and women and the destruction of so many families over the last 5-years, at home and in Iraq.
We are being given a chance for change, but Hill and Bill and the intergrity-challanged dwarfs that follow in their wake have trolled the muddy bottom of U-S history in an effort to blind voters to that fact.
Pennsylvania - a state suffering severe economic crises which were brought on, in large part, by Bill's NAFTA signing - votes against its self-interest because it can't stomach the fact that a Black man might make a change for the better. People in that state who are staggering under debt, hiding from creditors, having their electricity cut off for lack of payment, and losing their homes, voted for HRC who supported the draconian Bankruptcy bill that eliminates any real chance of getting out from under their mountains of debt.
This is block-headed stupidity gleefully reinforced by folks who make much, much money on the block-heads' pain. Bill makes deals with Columbia and China and any other repressive government willing to trade on his shopworn insider influence to ship U-S jobs overseas, and HRC decries the loss of U-S jobs to Pennsylvanians, but shares Bill's bank account. Ain't America Great! They've become millionaires ($109 million) while the rest of us have become insolvent. Holding tight to racists views makes some people too dull to grasp the facts before them. Meanwhile, the crap they get on TV doesn't help the situation; it only embellishes the surrounding swell of stupidity.
It's already an accepted fact in most of the country that war is peace, and peace is war. Now, we've come to the point where Republicans are Democrats, and HRC and Bill are Republicans. Too many people are drinking the Kool-Aid. Nationally, we are on a downhill slide, well-greased by rob-the-county-Republicans and greedy, power-hungry Clintons.
Comment by barbara day — April 24, 2008 @ 12:39 pm
Barbara;
That was well said! Very good post!
Comment by Mike Coleman — April 24, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
Anybody with an ounce of concern for the future of this country and an ounce of common sense would want Obama to lose. Nobody can name any of his accomplishments, and he only appeals to blacks, those too naive to see through his meaningless rhetoric, and those devious enough who want a Marxist revolution in this country by peaceful means. THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT OBAMA. All the whining in the world won't change the fact that now that the Wright/Ayers cat is out of the bag, the "post-racial" and "hope and change" crap is disintegrating like a house of cards in a hurricane.
Comment by Igor R. — April 24, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
Moveon.org should be responding to Hillary's sleazy stuff so that Obama would not have to. Instead, we're voting on happy, positive 30-second spots at Moveon.
Are there any other groups that could do a counter-attack on Obama's behalf?
Comment by Prantha — April 24, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
This is not as far-fetched as one may think. Those who think Republicans would not vote for a McClinton ticket may think twice. HRC's platform and history is more Republican than McCain's. HRC has also shown a complete lack of Democratic party unity.
Brent, you nalied it!
Comment by E Jack Hewlitt — April 24, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Prantha;
I know how you feel but sometimes you have to let the person hang themselves by their own words, actions or petard. Hillary is her own worst enemy and Obama and friends just have to suck it up right now. We have all seen what depths she will go to an those that will vote in the following primaries will have to make up their minds on who they want. Let them.
Comment by Mike Coleman — April 24, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
Isn't it nice to see Hillary promoting the old Republican idea of nationalized health care? Ronald Reagan who really loved this idea would've been so proud of his foot soldier Hillary!
Comment by Igor R. — April 24, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
brent-
by november 2/3 of the country will think obama is untrustworthy
Comment by j — April 24, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
by november 2/3 of the country will think obama is untrustworthy
Comment by j — April 24, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
Senator Holy Joe Lieberman will never unglue his camera-hogging face from John McBomb's right cheek far enough for You-Know-Her to get anywhere near great-grandpa John, bombing Iran, and/or the so-called "leadership" of his discredited political leper colony, the Geriatric Old Poops.
Sheriff Dick and Deputy Dubya have made more Democratic Party voters than Herbert Hoover. The Democratic Party under the articulate, poised leadership of nominee Barack Obama will own the Republicans in November. (If they can't even find a candidate born in the United States, they have no constitutional basis for running a campaign for the job in any event.)
The second Barry Goldwater from Arizona since Barry Goldwater will receive the same thorough thumping in 2008 that the reactionary Republicans got in 1964. If Senator You-Know-Her wants any political future worth mentioning in what little remains of her life, she will gracefully withdraw from throwing mud at the party's obvious nominee — citing the need to spend more time with her family — and join the Barack Obama steam roller. Any Democratic Party politician who doesn't will just get run over and flattened by it.
Comment by Michael Murry — April 24, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
I agree with Igor, not mush about Obama I like and I could never vote for him.
Comment by diane b — April 24, 2008 @ 11:35 pm
Mike,
Thanks a lot! Sometimes I think I'm spitting into the wind. I, too, wish Sen. Obama would level a flat-out assault on the Clintons and their hypocrisy, but then I remember that Obama's candidacy is about change, rather than mudslinging.
Some of HRC's negatives are well known, others are not. I was suprised Tuesday to read the Newsday article about how HRC, as a young lawyer in Arknsas, with utter determination and focus went after a 12-year-old female rape victim, questioning the child with an intensity that suprised attorneys on both sides of the case. So much for her support of the 'vulnerable' females trailing in her wake.
We, as a people, have got to decide this election cycle what sort of country we want. Are we going to hand it over to the torturers, the hucksters, liars and robbers; or are we going to attempt to make a clean break, a new start? Time is too short to play the same old games.
Comment by barbara day — April 25, 2008 @ 9:09 am
Barbara;
You are absolutely correct. The time is now to break the bonds of the old way of doing things. George W. Bush has destroyed the country with his policies and in the process destroyed the republican party. Hillary's campaign just highlights the old way of doing things and recent comments by Rep. James Clyburn indicate that Hillary's end time is near. Good people are seeing what is happening and are tired of the way the Clintons are running their campaign. We'll soon see what will happen but I think that there will be a rush of SDs to Obama shortly. Hang on.
Comment by Mike Coleman — April 25, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
Barbara: You do not have to worry about Senator Obama's focus on long-term strategy vis-a-vis the shifting, momentary, desperately negative tactics of Senator You-Know-Her. He has had a consistent message, consistently delivered for the duration of his campaign while she has struggled ever since her third place finish in Iowa to find some theme or identity that she can sell like used toothpaste. Senator Obama continues to run for President of the United States. Both You-Know-Her and Senator John McBomb have done little but run against HIM. Therein lies the truth of the tale.
Furthemore, it seems to me that Senator Obama knows what he wants to do and methodically goes about doing it, regardless of transient ups and downs that really only amount to ripples on the surface of a deep and steady tide. He knows he cannot win everywhere; but where he can't win, he limits his opponent's delegate count to less-than-decisive proportions; where he can win, he rolls up bigger delegate margins to more than offset his losses elsewhere. He won't change this wise strategy now that he has ultimate victory only a few more — and increasingly smaller — battles away.
So, keep up your spirits and maintain the confident patience that Senator Obama demonstrates in the face of enormous, and often insulting, provocation. He has no need to return fire against You-Know-Her's transparently duplicitous taunts. He cannot punch the headlights out of a pouting, sixty-year-old white lady, even if she asks for it, without winning for her a sympathy that her own low-road fear-mongering continues to lose; so he has to show some tolerance and restraint. This reveals him as decidedly more presidential in the larger, more important picture.
The press wants to make a horse race story where only the Democrats have a horse ready to charge out of the starting gate. So the press has to "build up" some sort of "competition," no matter how vapid, venal, or vituperative. So we've got to really read between the lines here, discount drivel and trivia, and think for ourselves.
I've seen every president from Dwight Eisenhower to Dick Cheney and I've never seen a year when Republicans stand to get royally creamed the way they do in November of 2008. The rabid, reactionary Republicans have discredited themselves with their divide-and-rule political thuggery for thirty years now, but the Karmic consequences of that foaming-at-the-mouth fascism, like the proverbial chickens, have finally come home to roost in their own soiled nests.
Senator and President Barack Obama will do just fine because we won't let him do anything less than his best for all of us.
Comment by Michael Murry — April 25, 2008 @ 1:21 pm
murry-
are you talking about a barack hussein obama steamroller that is consistently losing speed as voters learn about his true character and associations?
a barack hussein obama steamroller that LOST pennslyvania (voters are just bitter i guess) and is now facing eroding support from most groups other than blacks and elitist academics?
are you referencing the "poised and articulate" leadership of barack hussein obama that is fighting with 48-52% of his party that thinks he's an inexperienced, marxist elitist?
are we looking at the same candidate?
if there were another 15 or 20 states yet to vote, HRC would end-up the nominee. like i've said before, obama peaked during his string of 10/11 in a row; before we knew anything about him. his best days are behind him.
Comment by j — April 25, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
There is at least one other explanation for Hillary Clinton's conduct, which is that her overall intelligence has been seriously overrated. Take someone with a high average IQ, put him in the White House, and you get a George W. Bush saying "Bring 'em on"; take someone somewhat higher but, still, not a very profound "thinker"–and you get Hillary "Obliterate 'em" Clinton.
I personally am tiring of hearing and reading "I know she's smart, so why is she doing this?" I think she's doing it because she doesn't have the perspicacity to appreciate how "losing" would be winning, and how "winning" would be losing. As with Bush, there is "winning" and there is "losing", and the subtleties are uncomprehended.
This is my working theory and an alternative explanation.
Comment by Barry Schwartz — April 25, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
"Nobody can name any of his accomplishments…
Comment by Igor R. — April 24, 2008 @ 1:47 pm"
Yet another lie by Igor R., yet another in a long series of lies by Igor.
Here's only one example of an Obama accomplishment, described in detail.
Introduction:
****
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
Judge Him by His Laws
By Charles Peters
Friday, January 4, 2008; Page A21
People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability.
Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there — and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.)
I am a rarity among Washington journalists in that I have served in a state legislature. I know from my time in the West Virginia legislature that the challenges faced by reform-minded state representatives are no less, if indeed not more, formidable than those encountered in Congress. For me, at least, trying to deal with those challenges involved as much drama as any election. And the "heart and soul" bill, the one for which a legislator gives everything he or she has to get passed, has long told me more than anything else about a person's character and ability.
***
Peters then goes on to describe in detail one such bill, that required that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.
Obama faced opposition from everyone from death penalty abolitionists on the left (read the article) to tough-on-crime Republicans, the police, and incoming Governor Rob Blagojevich.
Obama won them all over. The state Senate passed the bill UNANIMOUSLY, and Governor Blagojevich signed it.
Peters then mentions a couple other accomplishments in the Illinois legislature, including an earned income tax credit and "the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a [Washington] Post story said made Illinois 'one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure.')" On this law, the New York Times reported: "The disclosure requirement 'revolutionized Illinois's system,' said Cindi Canary, executive director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform. By giving journalists immediate access to a database of expenditures and contributions, it transformed political reporting." Peters goes on to mention Obama's co-authorship of the U.S. Senate's lobbying reform law.
Peters concludes:
"Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the REPUBLICAN [emphasis mine - JM] state senator, calls a 'unique' ability 'to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people.' In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric."
A few other of Obama's accomplishments:
– Sponsored and got passed an expansion to KidCare, Illinois's children's health insurance program. That expansion brought health insurance to 150,000 Illinois citizens, including 70,000 children.
– Brokered a compromise between police groups and the ACLU to get a bill passed that helped collect data on racial profiling.
– Helped enact a law creating a single, searchable database of all federal contracts, grants and loans. To do this he worked with Republican Senator Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative members of the Senate.
(http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/271/)
– Lead sponsor of a bill to provide relief and promote democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Signed into law December 2006. (Ibid.)
So, as with most of Igor R.'s claims, his claim that nobody can name any of his accomplishments is a flat-out, damned lie.
Not that I'm surprised.
Comment by Jim Martin — April 25, 2008 @ 1:42 pm
obama-bot michael murray,
you are senile if you believe this comment:
"Senator and President Barack Obama will do just fine because we won’t let him do anything less than his best for all of us."
he's a politician, not a messiah! and you will have no control over ANYTHING when he decides to raise your tax rate to 40%, unconditionally withdraw from iraq, carbon tax industry back to the middle-ages, and sign our sovereingty over to the UN.
get a clue…
Comment by j — April 25, 2008 @ 1:42 pm
"Nobody can name any of his accomplishments…
Comment by Igor R. — April 24, 2008 @ 1:47 pm"
Yet another lie by Igor R., yet another in a long series of lies by Igor.
Here's only one example of an Obama accomplishment, described in detail.
Introduction:
****
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
Judge Him by His Laws
By Charles Peters
Friday, January 4, 2008; Page A21
People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability.
Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there — and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.)
I am a rarity among Washington journalists in that I have served in a state legislature. I know from my time in the West Virginia legislature that the challenges faced by reform-minded state representatives are no less, if indeed not more, formidable than those encountered in Congress. For me, at least, trying to deal with those challenges involved as much drama as any election. And the "heart and soul" bill, the one for which a legislator gives everything he or she has to get passed, has long told me more than anything else about a person's character and ability.
***
Peters then goes on to describe in detail one such bill, that required that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.
Obama faced opposition from everyone from death penalty abolitionists on the left (read the article) to tough-on-crime Republicans, the police, and incoming Governor Rob Blagojevich.
Obama won them all over. The state Senate passed the bill UNANIMOUSLY, and Governor Blagojevich signed it.
Peters then mentions a couple other accomplishments in the Illinois legislature, including an earned income tax credit and "the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a [Washington] Post story said made Illinois 'one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure.')" On this law, the New York Times reported: "The disclosure requirement 'revolutionized Illinois's system,' said Cindi Canary, executive director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform. By giving journalists immediate access to a database of expenditures and contributions, it transformed political reporting." Peters goes on to mention Obama's co-authorship of the U.S. Senate's lobbying reform law.
Peters concludes:
"Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the REPUBLICAN [emphasis mine - JM] state senator, calls a 'unique' ability 'to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people.' In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric."
A few other of Obama's accomplishments:
– Sponsored and got passed an expansion to KidCare, Illinois's children's health insurance program. That expansion brought health insurance to 150,000 Illinois citizens, including 70,000 children.
– Brokered a compromise between police groups and the ACLU to get a bill passed that helped collect data on racial profiling.
– Helped enact a law creating a single, searchable database of all federal contracts, grants and loans. To do this he worked with Republican Senator Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative members of the Senate.
(http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/271/)
– Lead sponsor of a bill to provide relief and promote democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Signed into law December 2006. (Ibid.)
So, as with most of Igor R.'s claims, his claim that nobody can name any of his accomplishments is a flat-out lie.
Not that I'm surprised.
Comment by Jim Martin — April 25, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
j–
You are senile if you believe anybody, Obama included, will raise your tax rate to 40% (unless you're a multimillioinaire), unconditionally withdraw from Iraq, carbon tax industry back to the middle ages, and sign our sovereignty over to the UN.
More than senile, you are paranoid and delusional.
Comment by Jim Martin — April 25, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
"Nobody can name any of his accomplishments…
Comment by Igor R. — April 24, 2008 @ 1:47 pm"
Yet another lie by Igor R., yet another in a long series of lies by Igor.
Here's only one example of an Obama accomplishment, described in detail.
Introduction:
****
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
Judge Him by His Laws
By Charles Peters
Friday, January 4, 2008; Page A21
People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability.
Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there — and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.)
I am a rarity among Washington journalists in that I have served in a state legislature. I know from my time in the West Virginia legislature that the challenges faced by reform-minded state representatives are no less, if indeed not more, formidable than those encountered in Congress. For me, at least, trying to deal with those challenges involved as much drama as any election. And the "heart and soul" bill, the one for which a legislator gives everything he or she has to get passed, has long told me more than anything else about a person's character and ability.
***
More in the next post.
Comment by Jim Martin — April 25, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Continued from previous post.
Peters then goes on to describe in detail one such bill, that required that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.
Obama faced opposition from everyone from death penalty abolitionists on the left (read the article) to tough-on-crime Republicans, the police, and incoming Governor Rob Blagojevich.
Obama won them all over. The state Senate passed the bill UNANIMOUSLY, and Governor Blagojevich signed it.
Peters then mentions a couple other accomplishments in the Illinois legislature, including an earned income tax credit and "the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a [Washington] Post story said made Illinois 'one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure.')" On this law, the New York Times reported: "The disclosure requirement 'revolutionized Illinois's system,' said Cindi Canary, executive director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform. By giving journalists immediate access to a database of expenditures and contributions, it transformed political reporting." Peters goes on to mention Obama's co-authorship of the U.S. Senate's lobbying reform law.
Peters concludes:
"Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the REPUBLICAN [emphasis mine - JM] state senator, calls a 'unique' ability 'to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people.' In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric."
Comment by Jim Martin — April 25, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
Continued from previous post, still in response to Igor R.'s bogus claim that nobody can name any of Obama's accomplishments.
A few other of Obama's accomplishments:
– Sponsored and got passed an expansion to KidCare, Illinois's children's health insurance program. That expansion brought health insurance to 150,000 Illinois citizens, including 70,000 children.
– Brokered a compromise between police groups and the ACLU to get a bill passed that helped collect data on racial profiling.
– Helped enact a law creating a single, searchable database of all federal contracts, grants and loans. To do this he worked with Republican Senator Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative members of the Senate.
(http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/271/)
– Lead sponsor of a bill to provide relief and promote democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Signed into law December 2006. (Ibid.)
So, as with most of Igor R.'s claims, his claim that nobody can name any of his accomplishments is a flat-out lie.
Not that I'm surprised.
Comment by Jim Martin — April 25, 2008 @ 1:52 pm
Jim, the guy has been a legislator since 1995. What legislators do is sponsor and pass bills. Emil Jones, Obama's mentor in the Illinois Senate who is very dedicated to the idea of a black President, worked hard to create a legitimate record for Obama. If you take my criticism as stating that Obama has done nothing at all for 13 years and kept getting elected, eventually to the US Senate, than you are taking it too literally. It is common knowledge though that when Obama supporters are asked in media interviews to name his accomplishments, they usually draw a blank.
But let's not forget his tour de force that for some reason wasn't brought up in the article: co-sponsoring and passing "the Halal food act".
Comment by Igor R. — April 25, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
I think it would be fine if Hillary ran with McCain as it would demonstrate to her current supporters exactly what she is and why she can't be trusted. But there's no possible scenario under which McCain would pick Hillary. He needs a real conservative that can energize the base. He certainly doesn't need someone the conservatives have trashed and labeled a "liberal" for more than a decade.
RJ
Comment by rjcrane — April 25, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
one of obama's campaign promises–a withdraw timetable of 16-24 months(or has he already backed down from that one too?) if not, he's making national security decisions based on politics rather than military intelligence.
how can the 100's of billions of dollars worth of social program handouts that barry obama is promising NOT be financed out of ALL our pockets?(money from ending the war will only wet the appetites of the marxists) a proportionally heavy tax burden on the wealthy has, at least, trickle-down economic effects…
…put a heavy tax burden on the wealthy and suddenly they can only afford 8 of their 12 servants. jobs lost. tax the wealthy and they'll take their money someplace else. then who will the dems tax to support all the programs that were being propped-up by a small % of the citizenry?
meanwhile, heeding to global warming hysteria, obama will enact "earth saving" measures (via the UN) of regulation on industry that will inevitably lead to higher prices on the consumer.
the U.N. comes into play thru the IPCC and other marxist bodies slowly eroding the sovereignty of all nations on earth.
obviously everything wouldn't happen in the 1st 100 days of a barack hussein obama presidency, but the bots all want him for the next 8 yrs…
Comment by j — April 25, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
Yes Mr. Henley, their heads are dead! You know the boy's in the news room have a running bet. The Press is at it again, mean and hateful! I'm tired of all of the hateful press, and I can't wait for Hillary Clinton to beat your pants off! When she wins she will be beating all of you. You are loud mouth hate mongers!
Your backs are against the wall and your claws are out!
Comment by WE KNOW — April 25, 2008 @ 8:02 pm
M. Murry. Well said, and well done. Home late. Scuse the time lag.
Comment by Bertoray — April 26, 2008 @ 1:55 am
"j", you're sounding a lot like Timothy McVee, the right wing kook who blew up the Murray Building. Do you get pretty paranoid thinking Cheney won't be in office to protect you come January? "j", do you think we ought to surrender more of our civil liberties so we can get them "terra-rists"?
Comment by Lester — April 26, 2008 @ 3:10 am
Anyone who believes Obama should go after MRS Clinton in the same manner that she has bombarded him doesn't remember Rick Lazio (but then who does) who violated the delicate flower's personal space in one of their debates and was never heard of again. Though MRS Clinton is mediocre in brain power she shrewdly is able to simultaneously play the victim (it's a girl thing) and the aggressor. No male could get away with this except for possibly the sexual addict Bill Clinton.
Comment by james d granata — April 26, 2008 @ 6:49 am
I know one thing for sure, I have all of these SO CALLED NEW POLICE AND FIREMAN CHARITIES CALLING EVERY MINUTE OF THE DAY that are asking for donations!! and it has never happened before.New organizations that the tax payers are giving to, and they do not know the truth! This is Obama charities, I believe he is getting a lot of his money by these so called charities calling and asking for donations. They are making up names of organizations, it's not true. I don't believe them to be real charities and they do not say what their money will go for, when you ask them they say "To help their cause" what cause???????????
Comment by WE KNOW — April 26, 2008 @ 11:11 am
lester-
name 1 thing from post #29 that isn't on the obama agenda or a reality of economics.
please try.
instead of running your hole about cheney, think of a tangible argument and then present it as an coherent statement. it may be beyond your skill level to think for yourself, but i'm willing to give you a chance. which is more than you're willing to give me.
Comment by j — April 26, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
Thank you Mike Coleman and Michael Murry…
You demonstrate that rationality, decency and kindness prevail, despite the surrounding dunghill of dishonesty, spite and spittlel that make up Igor's living space!
Hooray for you both..
Comment by barbara day — April 26, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
The surly and scurrilous nature of HRC's campaign is like an oozing sore on the body politic. She has destroyed any and every vestige of respect I once had for her. Not only will I not vote for her, I will seek to discourage others from doing so. If she is nominated, my efforts, vote, contributions, and attention will be focused on congressional campaigns.
Comment by Valeroso2008 — April 26, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
It's easy to see Brent's frustration because of obama's inability to finish off Hillary. Truth is, Democrats have a rather mediocre nominee whose main accomplishment was consistently voting "Present" on a host of very important national issues. That's why Hillary can take a calculated risk in alienating Lester/Mike Coleman twins to stay in the race.
Comment by Misha F — April 27, 2008 @ 1:45 am
"I know one thing for sure, I have all of these SO CALLED NEW POLICE AND FIREMAN CHARITIES CALLING EVERY MINUTE OF THE DAY that are asking for donations!! … This is Obama charities…
Comment by WE KNOW — April 26, 2008 @ 11:11 am"
OK, it's now, like, officially official. WE KNOW resides in tinfoil-hat land….
Comment by Jim Martin — April 27, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
Great post! This has been pretty much debunked and I dont think Hillary could actually join Mccain in the white house at least not if mccain has any intelligence.
Comment by eddy — May 8, 2008 @ 2:56 am