October 10, 2008
Barack the Messiah (Ron Christie)
As the mainstream media finally begin to consider the unsavory ties Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has had in the past with a convicted felon (Tony Rezko), domestic terrorist (William Ayers) and racist (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright), a new figure has emerged to support the candidacy of Obama for president.
This time, the controversial leader of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, has weighed in to offer his words of support in regard to Obama. While originally spoken in February of this year, a link to Farrakhan's speech just appeared on YouTube yesterday. Regardless, the words are as clear as they are frightening:
"You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."
So, now Sen. Obama is equated with being the Messiah by a renowned racist and anti-Semite and yet … the silence of the media is stunning. Well, it really isn't so stunning when you consider that the media have given Obama a free pass from the infancy of his candidacy. Can you imagine the outrage and 24/7 media coverage if Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) were described in an identical manner by a white supremacist?
On we go, with the mainstream media ignoring one unsavory association after another between the man who would be president with terrorists, anti-Semites and convicted felons. The company Obama has kept and continues to keep astounds me. That he is on the verge of becoming the next president of the United States and the media refuse to delve deeper into such associations is even more astounding.
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Once again, Barack Obama finds himself in the position of Brer Rabbit, unable to shake his past and his deception. Barack's dream ride has been interrupted by figures from his past, and they are not ghosts.
Comment by Robert Rosencrans — October 10, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
What is really astonishing is that McCain supporters keep bringing up so-called associations of Obama since they sure don't have of the monetary issues right. McCain's has buddies like Phil Gramm, big gambling friends, and don't forget Charles Keating…..but this is nothing. We need to focus on the economy, and Obama surely has much more of a grasp on that situation.
Comment by Joyce — October 10, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
As the economy has worsened the momentum has shifted back to McCain. People look to experience, not inexperience, in a crisis. Obama has never accomplished anything, therefore he can't be trusted in a crisis. Maybe it's time for Obama to suspend his campaign.
Comment by Robert Rosencrans — October 10, 2008 @ 1:20 pm
Poor Chickenhawk Ron Christie (CRC), left bumbling about, trying to figure out how to derail the Obama campaign as voters clearly do NOT think the McCain/Palin ticket able to run our country.
Guess what CRC, the voters do NOT care about Obama's endorsements, they DO care about the economic struggles they're facing, and none of you GOP lackeys and shills is offering anything positive in that regard.
Also not helping CRC's cause are the increasingly angry mobs masquerading as McCain/Palin rallies, probably NOT the image that will swing voters over to the GOP ticket come November.
I'm laughing at all that anger and frustration on the part of those angry mobs at McCain/Palin rallies, those who so fervently laughed at, sneered and mocked us libs over the past eight years.
It's called a dose of your own VERY bitter medicine, and there's absolutely NOTHING the Bush Jr sheeple can do to change the political Little Big Horn coming the GOP's way on Election Day.
Of course, we heard this same shrill, unhinged, off-key Republican caterwauling aimed at Bill Clinton, which was surprising as he was very much a moderate who often sided with the GOP-run Congress.
Obama, as President, will govern much the same way, as a conservative-leaning moderate instead of a real liberal.
CRC, how does it feel knowing you and those of your same mindset do NOT represent the political, social and religious mainstream of our society?
Even better, how does it feel knowing that a President Obama will avail himself of the same unchecked, imperial powers-warrantless spying, torture as official policy, indefinite detention/imprisonment-that Bush Jr has claimed for himself?
That's the irony which I enjoy the most, the same actions & policies CRC undoubtedly cheered for so lustily with Bush Jr are now causing dread and anger if wielded by a President Obama.
So, if CRC or other far-right fringe Obama bashers didn't do anything to take these powers back from the most arrogant, corrupt and spectacularly incompetent President-Bush Jr-in US history, then they shouldn't whine when it's their turn under the warrantless spying, torture and indefinite detention microscope from a President Obama.
And who knows, maybe Obama will actually use those unchecked powers to catch or kill Usama bin Laden, as opposed to using them on US citizens, our military, and their communications.
Comment by KingCranky — October 10, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
The difference Ron is this: Obama is the one that's running for President, not everyone you and the Repugs are tying to him. On the other hand, Palin is running for Vice-President, and she is anti-semitc along with being a racist. Not to mention a liar.
Comment by Yvonne — October 10, 2008 @ 1:29 pm
Who cares what Louis Farrakhan says? Is he a trusted advisor to Obama? Is he a friend? NO! There's no "association." In fact, I recall Obama "denouncing and rejecting" Farrakhan's support. I'm glad the "mainstream media" doesn't cover the rants of lunatics. That job is better left to people like Ron Christie who apparently don't have to be responsible for anything they say.
Comment by Johan — October 10, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
LOL…so u link to a Youtube video that was uploaded in April (did u even bother to check it?) in a feeble attempt to link Obama to Farrakhan?
Guess the Ayers thing isnt going so well, eh?
"Can you imagine the outrage and 24/7 media coverage if Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) were described in an identical manner by a white supremacist?"
Actually, I can't. Rod Parsely and John Hagee barely registered
The Dow is currently down 300+ pts today, my 401k is down 40%, my house has loss value and my other investments are in the tank, yep I really do care about "associations"
Clearly this tactic is backfiring, the polls show an increasing lead for Obama, is there a plan B?
Comment by Theard — October 10, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
Why is Barack Obama responsible for what Louis Farrakhan says, Ron? Can you explain that?
If he's to be held accountable for everything every black person says, he's on the hook for your self-hating tripe, too.
Comment by lowellfield — October 10, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Theard, #7
Plan B is to send Obama to Kenya to try his Marxist ideas on his own people. If this internship is successful, we'll consider him for President.
Comment by Misha — October 10, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Obama is liked and adored by anyone who hates America as it's currently constituted and wants one of the following things: Marxism, radical minority groups extracting revenge, radical anarchists groups extracting revenge, destruction of the military, turning the war on terror into a joke, defeating Israel, and empowering the Islamic world.
Since Louis Farrakhan is as close as you can come to somebody who unifies all these "ideals" he is the one most likely to endorse Obama.
Comment by Igor R. — October 10, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
lowelcornfield, #8
How many friends to you have who chant "God damn America", who bombed Pentagon, who are in jail for financial dealings, who call Judaism "gutter religion"?
Of course Basrakabama is not responsible for anything these thugs say or do, but if he enjoys spending time with them, it's perfectly reasonable to display strong hatred towards him or in my case to paper train my puppy with Obama's pictures from newspapers.
Comment by Misha — October 10, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
I haven't heard one concrete proposal that Obama has made concerning the economy. The silver tongue messiah waxes eloquently about vague abstract economic policies, but never seems to be very specific, except one thing is for certain, he will raise your taxes. This is the one promise that I believe he will keep. As far as cronies are concerned, very little has been said about his alliance with convicted money launderer Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, a Syrian born Chicago slumlord whose financial backer is Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi billionaire Baathist Party criminal currently living in London who 'loaned' Tony Rezko $3.5 million 3 weeks before the suspicious purchase of 2 adjoining residential properties in a Chicago suburb by Mr Obama and the wife of Tony Rezko, but, hey it just happens to be a coincidence and I'm sure that it isn't the same Tony Rezko that Obama once knew.
Comment by idjiut — October 10, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
First of all, Ron, the link wasn't added yesterday; it was added on April 14th. So, you're either lying or you are more interested in recycling old "news" that you didn't bother getting your facts straight.
Nex, strain your brain, Ron, and try to figure out who is being referenced in the following quote: "He believes that people who endorse you, people who befriend you are entitled to their own views, but you are not held personally accountable." Answer: That was Charlie Black talking about John McCain. He seemingly was against the kind of tripe you're posting before he realized he stood no chance of winning and was for it.
Right now, we have a brewing lynch mob that is being provoked by the same type of bullsh#t you've published here. Maybe you, too, are feeling so bitter at the thought of an Obama presidency that you feel compelled to stoke violent sentiments against him? All of you who are engaging in this guilt-by-exaggerated-association to fuel hostilities are a sick bunch.
Comment by Melissa — October 10, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
IF these people are so confident that Barack is winning, then why are they so angry?
Comment by Robert Rosencrans — October 10, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
Why don't we start building a mausoleum for Barack Hussein? Since we are so blessed with appearance just when our country is going through turbulent times, it's the least we can do to honor a great leader.
We can put it either in a Rose Garden or just outside the Oval Office so all future Presidents could touch his spirit and spend private time with him asking for guidance in future crisis.
I propose to limit the use of materials from his native Kenya and build it partially of mud, hay, and dry chicken feathers.
Please, send donations to "Obama Mausoleum Fund" at Trinity Church, attention Rev. Wright.
Comment by Misha — October 10, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
"IF these people are so confident that Barack is winning, then why are they so angry? "
stop projecting!
I think they were just pointing out what a large sack of lying pooh you are.
Comment by Kevin — October 10, 2008 @ 4:58 pm
Melissa, now you found a new angle: Barack's associations can't be discussed because that will fuel violence! Well James Carville threatened on CNN in an oblique way that things will get very bad out there, meaning "riots" if Obama loses even thought the polls show him winning. If I take both of your recommendations seriously the only conclusion is this: we must not talk about negative things about Obama and we must elect him, otherwise there will be blood.
Comment by Igor R. — October 10, 2008 @ 5:27 pm
Misha and neocon friends,
Hate, fear, suspicion, paranoia, lies…, now it’s just blatant racism. Don’t you guys ever get tired of hacking up the same filth? You’re not scaring anyone except for McCain’s nut-job supporters who live in a world of fear anyway. I mean, what’s the point in scaring those poor morons more than they already are?
Face it – your Neocon party drove the car in the ditch and the whole world saw you do it. No amount of hiding, lying, or finger-pointing can change that simple fact. The whole world was watching and your idiotic neocon President and his cronies blew it. I mean spectacularly blew it!! We’ll be cleaning his mess up for decades!
Time to get some brains in office - you guys can now get in the back seat and shut up.
Have a good weekend!
Comment by Jeff — October 10, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
Gee Kevin, you sound quite angry too. Your comment wasn't an answer, simply another manifestation of anger. Once again, if they have so much confidence in Obama, then why all the anger?
Comment by Robert Rosencrans — October 10, 2008 @ 6:52 pm
#17 Nice try to gloss over the incitement, Igor. Look at what Ron is writing about: A Farrakhan video that he falsely claims was only released yesterday, and insinuating that Obama is somehow responsible for Farrakhan's words. And, we also know his referencing "Messiah" has one intent alone–to stoke the hostilities of right-wing fundamentalists. Now, I know that since his column gives your own opinion a teddy bear hug, you'll embrace it right back. But it's irrelevance and timing reek of someone trying to incite anger and hostility. Ron's part of a lynch mob. How quaint.
Carville wasn't advocating violence, saying anything to promote hostility, and he wasn't sitting by idly as others were yelling out threats in front of him. There is only one campaign that's been doing that, beyond all moral decency and sound judgment.
Should Obama win as expected and one of these hate-filled freaks make good on their threats to try to harm him, then Ron can be really proud of his accomplishment. And you can pat him on the back because he told you exactly what you wanted to hear.
Comment by Melissa — October 10, 2008 @ 7:53 pm
I think there are many anti-Obama people on this blog. I feel Obama would make a better president that McCain personally. Let's focus and try not to be angry with each other.
Comment by Nellie — October 10, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
obama wasn't born in america.
obama is an islamo-fascist sympathizer.
obama is tied DIRECTLY to marxist fanatic/terrorists.
Comment by wake up america — October 10, 2008 @ 9:18 pm
#21 Nellie,
I agree with your idea of focusing and not being angry. Of course there are going to be a mixture of pro-Obama and pro-McCain and maybe even some pro-third party posters here. I don't have a problem with dissenting opinions. I believe that I can agree to disagree with others in a respectful manner. But when dissention turns into incitement of violence and animosity, it's another story.
There is no benefit to McCain/Palin to stoke such sentiments at their rallies. It will cause independents to flee faster than anything, and those verbalizing the animosity were already prepared to vote for McCain. It serves no purpose to tap into fear, distrust, and hatred, dividing people at a time when we need to unite to face the many real burdens that exist in this world.
Likewise, there is no benefit to Ron publishing this tripe and attempting to push blame on to Obama for Farrakhan's words. It is presumable that there are white supremacists voting for McCain based on skin color alone, but do you see anyone here trying to blame McCain for their beliefs? No, and for the simple reason that he cannot be held accountable for the words of others outside of his campaign merely because they intend to vote for him.
If nothing else, I believe Ron owes a retraction to his readers after falsely claiming the video only showed up yesterday on YouTube when it clearly existed there since April 14. He should not falsely claim it just surfaced on YouTube yesterday when he really means it just surfaced on Breitbart yesterday. I'm sure it would be asking too much to ask Ron to reconsider his opinionated fearmongering, but I don't think it's asking too much for him to get basic facts straight.
Comment by Melissa — October 10, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
All of this stuff is so irrelevant. All that really matters is the two candidates themselves.
On the one hand is a candidate who is brillant, educated, calm and measured in his positions, statements, actions and reactions; one whom we can trust to bring those qualities to bare on the tremendously difficult problems we face as a nation.
On the other hand is a candidate who has a history which includes a long college and military career as a f*ck-up, crashing planes and raising hell, who made major choices based on where he could have the best chance of getting laid.
More recently he has shown increasingly erratic behavior, brash and impulsive judgement and constant anger either on display or just under the surface.
Who would you rather have as President, a brillant, thoughtful, and inspiring leader or a dangerous bipolar maverick who doesn't scare the poor voters in small town America, but terrifies those who know him best, his fellow Senators?
Comment by smilinjack — October 11, 2008 @ 1:28 am
Jeff, #18
"Hate, fear, suspicion, paranoia, lies…, now it’s just blatant racism"
Yes, we hate everything Obama stands for, we fear for ourselves and our country, we view everything he says with suspicion because he's a slick politician, we are paranoid about his real motives given his associates and his background, and we are disgusted with his constant lies…. Nothing to do with blatant racism.
That's the preview of the next 4 years: anything you disagree with the anointed one it's blatant racism.
Nellie, #21
Yes, there are many anti-Obama people on this blog, you brilliant mind.
Comment by Misha — October 11, 2008 @ 1:29 am
Misha, I've been on this blog since it was Igor, Rosencrans and myself.
You have been consistently spouting your thinly-disguised racism since you started posting here. You have zero credibility with fair-minded people here.
Your trailer trash mentality probably thinks you are keeping your true hatred of blacks from showing, but your deluding yourself.
If anyone has a good reason for any degree of shame about America to temper their justifiable pride, it's for the shameful history of slavery and oppression and hate committed against the Africans and their descendants here. Our country will become a much better place as you and those who think as you do slowly die out.
It's a glorious day even amid the ruins of our crumbling economy and you should thank whatever warped god you might worship that once again, in the mysterious and wonderful process distinctly American, the times have produced a truly gifted leader in our hour of greatest need.
And this in spite of hatred and lies from the embarassing likes of you.
Comment by smilinjack — October 11, 2008 @ 7:31 am
Misha #25 says;
"Yes, we hate everything Obama stands for, we fear for ourselves and our country, we view everything he says with suspicion because he's a slick politician, we are paranoid about his real motives given his associates and his background, and we are disgusted with his constant lies…. Nothing to do with blatant"
Misha, the racist nutball neocon, voted twice for Dumbya Bush and now wants to vote for McSame. And he's trying to warn us. WTF?
Misha, is Obama an "Arab"?
Comment by Lester — October 11, 2008 @ 8:28 am
They are sending the Caribou Barbie to WV today..lol
Here is Herbert speaking the truth
http://community.nytimes.com/article/comments/2008/10/11/opinion/11herbert.html
"For the nitwits who vote for the man or woman they’d most like to have over for dinner, or hang out at a barbecue with, I suggest you take a look at how well your 401(k) is doing, or how easy it will be to meet the mortgage this month, or whether the college fund you’ve been trying to build for your kids is as robust as you’d like it to be."
Comment by Theard — October 11, 2008 @ 10:16 am
This question was asked on another blog but I think its appropriate here.
Did Rove and his hatchet men do more damage to McCain in 2000 or 2008? What do u think?
Comment by Theard — October 11, 2008 @ 10:28 am
smilingjack, #26
you should thank ACORN for your "truly gifted leader", not American democratic process. He's just taking advantage of this democratic process and liberal press to grab power. His grab of power is not based on his distinguished political record nor professional accomplishments.
His main gifts are mainly in carefully targeting his message to the particular audience and promising freebies to the lazies at my expense in exchange for votes a few times over. Who is behind Obama is not known, but it may be too late when we find out.
Comment by Misha — October 11, 2008 @ 12:04 pm
Lester, #27 "is Obama an Arab"?
No he's not, Obama is a mixed breed Messiah.
Comment by Misha — October 11, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
ACORN is an army of Obama community organizers. Organizing the community so they can take over and tell you to shove it.
Comment by Robert Rosencrans — October 11, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
Melissa, politically unaware people I talk to about Obama are scared. They can sense that something is off, that they are being manipulated, and the outcome if Obama is elected will be horrifying. I was having lunch with some guy I occasionally see who is not normally interested in politics and of all the topics he asked me about Obama's birth certificate because he got something in a chain e-mail. I told him about the lawsuit and that I don't actually believe there is anything there but that I think Obama should just provide it. His response: why has he never seen this on the news or read about it in the newspaper? And I just laughed, we all know hot it is.
Comment by Igor R. — October 11, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
Why does Misha hate the person who will usher in a golden era.
Obama represents the America at its best. A place where a person with a funny name and a good character can rise from humble beginnings in the middle class to be president, because of the content of his character.
Not how many notches on his plane counting the Viet Namese women and children he's killed.
Have you heard? Peace-loving socialist Sweden is doing great. Hardly feeling the financial implosion. Their only problem is that they have an export economy. Can you believe it? Pink-o, peace-nik Sweden exports more than they import, and macho fat-ashed capitalist U.S.A. borrows, spends, and consumes more than they do anything else, from the government down to Joe six pack.
The world is not divided between people who believe in God and those who don't.
It is divided between:
(1)people who worship the bible, belong to brainwash church, and think God is like Greek fate mythology, controlling all events on heaven and earth and we are nothing but puppets;
(2) And people that believe in a personal God that works miracles of the spirit from within, but allows humans to destroy themselves because they have free will and pride to do so. And that the Bible has a lot to offer with wisdom, allegory and proverb, but it is not a book of science, or a religious Mein Kampf for preachers to interpret and enforce as they see fit.
And of course, we should celebrate the beginning of the end of the tax- cut-for-votes mania (which depleted our intelligence infrastructure and caused 9/11) and the deregulation mania, both of which have run this country into the ground and cause more disease and death than the drug companies can handle.
Comment by Fred from Oregon — October 11, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
Don't cry John.
Santa's going to come again this year - if you're good, of course.
This will be a fantastic time (provided, of course B. H. Obama is elected, and we get a filibuster-proof Senate)
Have you heard? Peace-loving socialist Sweden is doing great. Hardly feeling the financial implosion. Their only problem is that they have an export economy. Can you believe it? Pink-o, peace-nik Sweden exports more than they import, and macho fat-assed capitalist U.S.A. borrows, spends, and consumes more than they do anything else, from the government down to Joe six pack.
And one more thing. The world is not divided between people who believe in God and those who don't.
It is divided between:
(1)people who worship the bible, belong to brainwash church, and think God is like Greek fate mythology, controlling all events on heaven and earth and we are nothing but puppets;
(2) And people that believe in a personal God that works miracles of the spirit from within, but allows humans to destroy themselves because they have free will and pride to do so. And that the Bible has a lot to offer with wisdom, allegory and proverb, but it is not a book of science, or a religious dogma for preachers to interpret and enforce as they see fit.
And of course, we should celebrate the beginning of the end of the tax- cut-for-votes mania (which depleted our intelligence infrastructure and caused 9/11) and the deregulation mania, both of which have run this country into the ground and cause more disease and death than the drug companies can handle.
Comment by Fred from Oregon — October 11, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
barack is a communist.
mccain is a fall-guy. a punching bag.
this election has been hi-hacked by the $ocia1ist/media complex.
anyone who disagrees with obamamarx is labeled a rascist.
hussein obama will set this country back 20 years if not destroy it. he'll weaken the military and we will be attacked again.
our country is being flushed down the tubes and being replaced by a welfare state full of moral relativism.
mccain is a joke loser fall guy
Comment by OBAMAMARX — October 11, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
#33 Let me see if I have this straight, Igor: A politically unaware man received a viral email, and a light bulb went off in his head? LOL
Thanks for the chuckle, but that doesn't really address my previous comments.
Comment by Melissa — October 11, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
OBAMAMARX,
Nobody really knows who Obama is and who's behind him. What's known is that on Nov 4th, Americans can choose a leader who'd do whatever possible to keep us safe for 4 more years and a charismatic ruler without American roots whose questionable background is of no interest to the media of this country. That's what so fascinating about this election.
Comment by Misha — October 11, 2008 @ 11:06 pm
Fred "Björn" from Oregon #35
Do you understand the difference between "peace-loving" and "freedom-loving"? It's because of freedom-loving USA willing to stand up to dictators and terrorists around the world, Sweden can afford to be neutral and "peace-loving".
Please, hold on with declaring a golden era, votes have not been counted and anti-Obama sentiment is just picking up because America's future is about to be hijacked by ACORN brown shirts.
Comment by Misha — October 12, 2008 @ 12:03 am
Man … I see the cowardly reich wing booger eaters are still being uninformed, stupid and racist on this website. Why aren't you creepy bastards talking about how you conservatives have ruined this country?
Comment by Aftermath — October 12, 2008 @ 8:58 am
Ron Christie is just a step-in-fetchin lawn jockey. He is too stupid to recognize that the party he embraces him sees him as nothing but another boy. I wonder how he would fare standing amidst the racist, ignorant, hatemongers at the McCain/Palin rallies? He probably wouldn't make it out. Common Ron, wake your sorry, pathetic but up, uncross your eyes and see the light.
Comment by Shon — October 12, 2008 @ 11:10 am
Aftermath, #40
Speaking of ruining this country, check with Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and others from your left wing.
Comment by Misha — October 12, 2008 @ 11:57 am
Misha, you're sounding more and more crazed with each passing day. You might consider visiting your physician and getting your medicinal cocktail re-evaluated (meds-check).
Misha and his neocon brethren are sounding like Geage Wallace supporters 45 years ago. Misha, you neocons are shaming America with your unadulterated hatred and bigotry.
Obama exhibits the true spirit of America and American Freedom. Obama is the kind of Statesman and Diplomat America is starving for.
The victory band wagon is now officially rolling down the tracks.
"President Barrack Hussein Obama" has a nice sound to it.
Yes we can!
Comment by Lester — October 12, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
Melissa, Obama is never responsible for anything, but McCain always is. Obama has no control about Farrakhan calling him the Messiah, or ACORN gathering votes for him, or what the political beliefs of the people he sits on boards with, or people who appoint him, or people who give him major contributions, sometimes from abroad, or what his pastor says while he is asleep in the church, or what Rezko does when not helping him with his housing needs, or who the guy he campaigns for in Kenya kills or how he spreads the Sharia law there. Obama just doesn't know, you see, because he is focused on the middle class and isn't easily distracted. McCain meanwhile is responsible for people who are scared of Obama because Obama is a scary guy, and sometimes say things that McCain publiclly denounces at rallies. Makes sense to me.
And yes, I can see the trend about the birth certificate. This is now one of those things that will not die until he addresses it completely: what documents he has, what he doesn't have, and until he shows what he has to many, many people. It is slowly gathering steam but it has gone viral. As Gavin Newsom likes to say about the reality of gay marriage, "it's coming whether you like it or not".
Comment by Igor R. — October 12, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
Lester,
George Wallace would be much better for USA than Hussein Obama.
Comment by Metamucil — October 12, 2008 @ 1:20 pm
Igor,
You're whining about many guilt-by-exaggerated-associations because you have nothing on the man himself. McCain has his own set of skeletons in the closet, but they've gone by and large untouched. Why? Because people are more interested in knowing about the candidates' plans for this country and not who they knew and when they knew them. Don't take it from me, take it from the polls reflecting that McCain's negative attacks are backfiring!
As for the birth certificate, I would consider it a matter of principle and similarly not provide any documentation to a loud-mouthed @sshole.
Let's take a look at Phil Berg and see what some of his other "accomplishments" have been:
1) Started a RICO lawsuit against President Bush, claiming that 9/11 was "an inside job."
2) Asked three Supreme Court justices to disbar themselves for their decision in Bush v. Gore.
3) Was slapped with more than $10,000 in sanctions for "a laundry list of unethical actions." ""Other attorneys should look to Mr. Berg's actions as a blueprint for what not to do when attempting to effectively and honorably perform the duties of the legal profession," Joyner wrote." [Source: The Legal Intelligencer]
And this is the man whom so many right-wingies are clinging to in hopes that he's got the miracle? OMG! LMAO!
Comment by Melissa — October 12, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Lester
No votes have been cast for Obama yet except for a few homeless schmucks, so don't count your Popey's Fried Chicken yet.
If you recall in 2000, Bush was ahead of big gas-filled Algore by 8-9% when his drunk driving arrest revelations came up. All of a sudden it was too close to call race that took 2 months to sort out. All we need is a good, fresh revelation on Obama and proper execution techniques from McCain's side to play it.
Obama's peaking a bit too soon, he's again a presumed President and all around country the normal folks are really scared of his tribe thrashing a White House. Let's wait and see…
Comment by Misha — October 13, 2008 @ 1:01 am
Melissa, I don't care about Obama's so-called "plans" after the "I'll cut taxes on 95% of working families and will spend a ton on a laundry list items" wishful thinking. I think his associations define the man. He doesn't need to be some petty crook for me not to like him.
And I keep repeating that I just want the certificate produced and you keep telling me that Berg is a nutcase. I knew that already.
Comment by Igor R. — October 13, 2008 @ 1:02 am
#48 Then apply for a job with an elections board. You'll get to see all those neat documents when they get submitted.
Comment by Melissa — October 13, 2008 @ 11:21 pm
Will the conservatives now acknowledge Palin's brush with ethics violations? It's funny how Fox news only touched on it briefly while hammering away at Ayers et al. Obama was a kid when Ayers was being an idiot. Did he ever get charged? McCain was involved in the ever-so-recent Keating debacle. McCain nor Palin cannot throw stones; it'll bounce and hit them right in the noses. They're damaged goods.
Comment by Jessara — October 14, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
I am more confident in a President Barack Obama's White House than an erratic More of the Same McCain. I cannot take any more of the financial fall out and the country needs a sea change.
Comment by Jessara — October 14, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
Jessara, PLEASE can you be specific about the changes you want to see. When you just say "the country needs a sea change" your sound like you're simply spinning the famous Obama slogan and would just like to see Obama because you like him.
Comment by Igor R. — October 14, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
Igor, specifically, I want the government to stop giving tax breaks to the richer guys. As we know, wealth does NOT trickle down. Very rich people do not spend money because they own the infrastructure. We, the people, who don't own anything more than our homes and cars and for some, maybe a boat, pay for everything else with our credit or our cash. Extreme wealth does not trickle down, as we have seen in Bush's failed 8 year policy. (And I know, I have an uncle who's a multimillionaire. He does not spend, not even on family.)
Because of this economic policy, our economy has pretty much tanked as the dollar is devalued. The middle class needs a tax cut so that our incomes carry us through from month to month and not just paycheck to paycheck. I'm part of that middle class that has seen the cost of basics like milk go up to 4.99. I prefer the good old days when milk was 2.50. I want my income, the money I work for, to be able to stretch in the supermarket, to pay my credit card bills and other bills.
I want my nephew who's fighting in the war in Iraq to come home. Even recent studies have shown that the real terrorism fight is in Afghanistan, not Iraq. The US has made conditions so unstable in Iraq, that the middle east has become a real threat. And if the US got so sidelined by George W's personal vendetta against Saddam, then we, the people have suffered. We need to have a president who is able to lead on the war in terror. And who really understands the true problems and keep our country protected. Both Biden and Obama provide that leadership.
I want a health care policy, which provides employer-based health care but also provides help to the 40 million Americans who do not have health care; it's not that they're unemployed but some are uninsurable, others work at jobs that do not employ them; others are students and many others are between insurance policies. But Sen. Obama and Biden have a health policy that will help all of us. Healthy people are more productive for our economy.
I want an education system we can be proud of–that rewards the students who do well and assist those who are not. Education is the greatest equalizer and if kids are educated and have access to the better-paying jobs, crime will fail. Because if you're getting money to pay your bills, you're not going to get involved in crime for money. That, of course, doesn't count the deviants, but generally, the others who are involved in the crime of economics.
I want a foreign policy where our government respects other nations but at the same time go all out to protect us.
I want an America which deals well with its porous borders, who knows how to handle the problem of illegal immigration. There are numerous legal immigrants doing what they got to do but others who are disobeying the law.
I want an America where people who really work hard can move up in life. Sens. Obama and Biden were not given anything in life or from birth. Both started with modest means and worked hard, got into great colleges and are the bearers of good luck, smarts, good looks (even), and great mentors and others. I'm sure both are appreciative of everything they've earned and been given. And that's the American story i'm proud of.
I want a president who could put in a supreme court justice who is not going to turn around certain laws that we need. And i agree with Sen. Obama. We may not be able to overturn Roe v Wade but we could lower the number of unwanted pregnancies. I don't agree with abortion but I definitely think people should have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies. (It's bet. them and God.) Believe me, if they illegalize abortions, women will find some back alley doctor to do it, much to her detriment. Look at drugs, isn't it illegal but you could find it almost on every street corner if you look hard enough?
You see, Igor, under the Bush administration, I've seen too many things go awry–from the health system because the GOP doesn't want to give everyone health. The lobbyists have worked really hard to ensure that. The Iraq war is an ill-fated war that led more than 4,100 Americans to their deaths ontop of the 911 tragedy that led 3,000 people to their deaths. The attempt to privatize social security. The attempt at reforming health care–none of which has changed for 8 years. But they did pretend that gay marriage was such a big issue. Guess what, certain states have oked gay marriage.
I have no qualms with the GOP, but their party is the party for the superwealthy. I'm not there. Their policies have led to a lowering of my standard of living as they focus more on the Donald Trumps and Tiger Woods of the world. Maybe if I had talent like an Oprah or a Tiger, I'll be behind the GOP ticket but I'm not. I'm a simple middle-class mom and wife with a master's degree who has seen her income dwindle. It hasn't been easy since 2000, especially coming off the Clinton years.
Comment by Jessara — October 15, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
But Joe the Plumber also owes more than 1800 dollars in taxes. yikes!!! He doesn't like to pay taxes on his 40 grand a year salary.
I want to look at this so called redistribution of wealth. Someone making gross of 250,000 falls under the Obama tax plan under 37 percent. It puts him or her paying roughly 90 grand a year in tax. On the other hand, someone else making 25,000 a year falls into the 15 percent tax bracket and he or she pays about 3,700 a year.
What's so wrong with that? The more you earn, the more you pay? That's the capitalist mentality to me. What's socialist about paying as you earn. The more you make, the more you pay. As i had said in previous posts, my hubby and i make six figures combined. We fall right into the 25 percent tax plan. (i hope not the 35 percent under bush.) More than 1000 per pay period gets taken out my income, but I make much more than the worker at 25,000.
i consider paying taxes the price to pay for being an American–we pay taxes for our schools, our roads, our infrastructure, our government, our social policies, helping with cancer research etc. But America has given me the opportunity to get a great college degree that gave me the chance to get the great job that pays six figures. So why can't i pay back taxes based on what i make? It seems fair.
Now, when I first started working in the 1990s, i was making 4.25 an hour, and my taxes were low. My income was once 216 a week, living in NY. When i got taxed, it went to 157 a week. it was rough but under Clinton, i was still able to let it stretch from week to week.
It was so hard like you wouldn't believe. But I was just outta college and had to take what i could get. So i did two jobs–one on the weekend.
Maybe that's why i'm so grateful now. I'm fortunate to make a bigger income, which i'm trying to save. And i want to give others the same opportunity. What's so wrong with that. Isn't that what America's all about?
Comment by Jessara — October 16, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Mr. Christie, you are a joke at best and only the small-minded and ignorant such as yourself could even come out of your mouth with the stupid, uneducated, uninformed, and downright ridiculous rhetoric you spew. Go have your eyes fixed! Literally.
Comment by Mary Reilly — October 19, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Mr.Christie, You are the kind of person that the people can not trust. If you know thing are going wrong why would you agree with it. You know the Bush administration did harm to everyone. You as a black man should know better than anyone. If you agree with McClain politic. You disagree with Rev. King for people to come together. You are truly a sell out to your race. That is a shame.
Comment by Sledge — October 19, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
Ron Christie is a wannabe white man dressed in black skin with black hair, I must sadly say. We have a lot of these in our black race. If Dr. Martin Luther King were alive today fighting his past battle, Christie would NOT be in the battle with him, nor in agreement with him. And nor would he agree with Frederick Douglass, Harriett Tubman, or any of the other blacks of the past. Espeically not one of my favorites, Rev. Nat Turner.
Comment by Rev. Geoege Brooks — October 19, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
They can always find one idiot to try to justify the views of those that want to continue the racist and oppressive policies of the past. Congrats Mr. Christie, you have excelled at your job!
Comment by Walter McGill — October 20, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
ron, just heard you on msnbc - and your comments agreeing with Rush re: Powell's endorsement - transformational - this is about passing the torch from the old baby boomers to the new younger generation - I'm and old boomer…we need to see the world and our place in it - with new eyes! Get off the race kick…I'm a 63 year old white broad that is voting for Obama!
Comment by Barb Head — October 20, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Hey ron you need to fix that damn eye then you might be able to see the truth McCain is not the same senator he was he is bush and Palin is a moron!
Comment by jeremy — October 20, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
how many times have you heard comments made in your home, workplace, church or neighborhood store that you didn't agree with? do you not speak to those who disagree wity you? do you hate them for their uncomfortable conversation? Louis, Jeremiah, and Bill…. what power will we give the things they have uttered out of their mouth? can we control or restrict what they say? can you? can I? can America? Will God? Can OBAMA?
Comment by Me in louisiana — October 20, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
Mr. Crissy, you are a straight playa hater. Don't hate the playa hate the game. One reason to realize why you hate Obama so much (you are not him), you wish and thought that would be you one day in his position for your party. God knows the hearts of men, and yours it not for the test or task at hand. Peace onto you, I would say my brother but it would be a disgrace to my ancestors. Oh yeah, I'm educated also. Graduated from FSU, your stomping grounds in Tallahassee. Have you ever bumped into Na'im Akbar. I took his Black Psychology Class my sophmore year in Tallahassee at FSU, not FAMU. You might need to enroll to increase your knowledge "guy"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by SUPREME BLACKMAN — October 22, 2008 @ 12:50 pm